<html><head></head><body><div>On Mon, 2019-11-04 at 07:44 +0000, Brian Candler wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#285ba7">> I've tried adding a second IP to the DNS server and placing the </font><br>
<font color="#285ba7">> resolver on that, so that I can set up notify to send to this as an </font><br>
<font color="#285ba7">> additional IP, but this again breaks and becomes problematic as we </font><br>
<font color="#285ba7">> then have 2 IPs for a single nameserver.</font><br>
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That's basically what you need to do with pdns.<br>
<br>
In large ISP deployments, with thousands or millions of domains, <br>
combining recursor and resolver results in major problems. Hence pdns <br>
decided to stop supporting such configurations entirely.<br>
<br>
In small enterprise deployments, where you control the clients as well <br>
as the domains, a combined setup may work acceptably well. But <br>
personally I'd keep them separate even in the smallest of deployments.</blockquote><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Thanks for the reply.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>The problems with having two IP addresses are that then I need two IPs going through all the various firewalls (more trouble for setup and migration), plus, which do you use for the zone NS records? You have to have something like ns0, ns1 pointing to the recursor (for clients to use) and ns0a ns1a in the NS records pointing to the resolver... You end up with a different IP for the clients to use from the one the NS records use, and queries could be coming in to either.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>This also doesn't address the problem of the recursor not being able to automatically know which zones to pass on to the resolver - if you add a zone to the resolver, you need to reconfigure the recursor to find it, else it might end up using the external nameserver by accident. Then dnsdist, seems to be necessary to forward notify packets on to the resolver as the recursor just drops them.</div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span><div class="-x-evo-signature-wrapper"><span class="-x-evo-signature">I can see why an ISP, handling many queries and needing huge scale, would want to do this; but it is a horrible amount of complexity for small organisations that just want the benefit of the API and are otherwise fine with bind running on a small linux VM. It would have been better to have had the option to run in split mode (for large ISPs) or combined mode (for small organisations) rather than just supporting large setups only.</span></div><div><span class="-x-evo-signature"><br></span></div><div class="-x-evo-paragraph"><span class="-x-evo-signature">Is there a document somewhere detailing how to set up pdns/recursor+resolver+dnsdist to replace a simple bind server with a couple of primary and secondary zones? I have see this ( </span><a href="https://doc.powerdns.com/authoritative/guides/recursion.html">https://doc.powerdns.com/authoritative/guides/recursion.html</a> ) which recommends using a different port but as mentioned before, this causes notify and supermaster to break. I've considered installing 4.0 (which apparently can still do it all in one) but that would be a dead-end.</div><div class="-x-evo-paragraph"><br></div><div class="-x-evo-paragraph">I appreciate any help with this, powerdns has great features and API integration but is a lot more complex to configure than bind...</div><div><span class="-x-evo-signature"><br></span></div><div><span class="-x-evo-signature">Steve</span></div><div><span class="-x-evo-signature"><br></span></div></span></div><div><span>-- <br><strong style="color: rgb(40, 91, 167); font-family: Segoe, 'Myriad Pro', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Steve Shipway | </strong><span style="color: rgb(130, 129, 129); font-family: Segoe, 'Myriad Pro', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"></span><span class="halfstrong" style="color: rgb(40, 91, 167); font-family: Segoe, 'Myriad Pro', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Senior Email Systems Administrator</span><span style="color: rgb(130, 129, 129); font-family: Segoe, 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